Since the start of third wave feminism, single motherhood has been touted as heroic, noble, and worthy of the utmost reverence from all who have the privilege of laying their eyes on such a woman. Predictably, females have taken this false respect and wear it as a badge of honor. Most men with red pill awareness know that single moms are a bad bet in terms of any sort of commitment outside of a one night stand or a one week fling. But there are still dudes out here wifing these bitches up and touting these chicks as the queens of the fucking universe. Their tits are perky, their asses are tight, their midsections are sexy as hell often adorned with navel piercings , and their skin is soft and supple. After even one child, things go south in a hurry. Granted, there are many women out there with multiple children whose bodies show little to no signs of childbirth.
They never have money. Single moms are money pits. Wanna go to the movies? Wanna go on a weekend getaway? And guess who foots the bill? Single moms are selfish which means they only look out for themselves.
These chicks also use their children as a shield for their poor treatment of you. You think a single mother is gonna cook for you? Females do not handle rejection well at all. I dumped a woman once and a week later I caught her trying to put sugar in my gas tank.
A busted window, slashed tire, or a keyed car is one thing. A false accusation of abuse against her kids is quite another. Women do this shit all the time and a quick Google search will yield a shitload of stories to back this up. Further, men are always guilty until proven innocent.
Including using her kids to get you locked up. The mating dance of choice between the unmarried parents of a child or children; a precursor to further sexual intercourse.
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One of the biggest mistakes men who date single mothers make is actually believing them when they talk about how they hate the father s of their child ren. How do we know this? She can say whatever she wants but at the end of the day, she let dude raw dog her enough to put at least one baby in her which means she was and still is aroused by him on a primal level.
Period - end of story. He's not taking on another man's responsibilities. Fuck that. He's a bachelor. He's not trying to get an instant family.
That's not to say he only exists on a diet of divorced MILFs, but the sheer volume of them in his proximity makes them an endless parade of unavoidable low hanging fruit. My cousin is quite familiar with my divorce rape story. We were co-workers when it all went down.
He saw the mind-bending bullshit I went through - and now that he's the dude that these pretty little hate machine types are fucking he's seeing it from a whole different angle.
He says to me "Tru It's a pattern. You know what you went through? They all do it. It's a fucking inborn strategy. They all play it the same way. What he's talking about is what a woman does when she's setting up the divorce rape. How premeditated it is. How purposeful it is. Cousin continues, "They do the harshest, most depraved, plausibly deniable bullshit you can think of to piss the husband off. They push every button imaginable.
They empty bank accounts. They run up credit cards. They have affairs. They fuck with their jobs. They try to have them arrested. They file restraining orders. They slander them to anyone and everyone.
They keep the kids away from them. They play the most evil fucking head games you can imagine - and then when the husband loses his shit, curses them and tells them to go fuck themselves - they run to the court crying victim - and they get everything they want. They get the house, the money, the kids - everything. Then when it's over - they brag about it and high five each other. It's all a fucking game to them.
Meanwhile the poor bastard ex lives in some hovel somewhere begging to see his kids. So when my cousin sees these women behaving this way, do you think he has high opinion of these women? Fu-u-u-u-ck No he doesn't. He immediately purges any temptation to do anything other than spin these women as plates. He bangs them out and then laughs in their faces. They chase after him and try to lock him down with all kinds of bullshit stories a mile long, but he knows what kind of woman a divorced mom is - a crazy selfish bitch.
Well they're all potential wolves in sheep's clothing.
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Remember that. They all seems so sweet and pleasant - it's all an act. They try to run the I'm a victim con so you feel sorry for them and want to save them from their unfortunate circumstance. Remember they all fucked some guy up for life and took his kids from him just to get that check every month.
Then they want to replace him with the next beta chump and manipulate paychecks out of two different thirsty losers. Some of them manage to get the chump to help her play the head game with the ex. It can be downright scary bad what bitches are capable of. I'm sure you have seen all the "The kid calls me daddy now" memes where some unwitting fedora tipping rube brags about how he's sabotaged a child's relationship with his or her father - and then the circle jerk that follows where everyone congratulates him for being a moron.
It happens all the time. The proof is everywhere. All the padawans lurking need to know just what it is you risk. Not just in marriage, but when you get an offer to step up to the plate. You see a single mom - you have to immediately assume she's a game playing POS who fucked over the baby daddy for a payday.
These women are not worth your respect and admiration. You'd be fucking crazy to put them up on a pedestal and hand over your check every month. If you want to play the MILF rider game - you find out when Beta Bux daddy is picking up the kids and then you schedule them in for a pump and dump.
Avoid anything else like the plague. Women are the cruelest, most sadistic creatures imaginable. You know I think some of them probably play that angle.
But don't you think some of them were just Maybe they honestly thought the dad was "the one", and wanted to have a life with him? And maybe he got lazy, maybe he got fat, maybe he quit trying at all, maybe he turned into an abusive piece of shit and she wanted out? I enjoy the TRP for some interesting viewpoints that I hadn't considered, but the lumping of ALL women and ALL single moms into some hate filled rant just seems a bit excessive and strange to me. The whole point of the rant is that yes, such a thing seems strange and excessive, but then you go out into the world and find out that it is not.
Its eye-opening. What I'm describing is the norm, albeit exhibited within a spectrum of varying intensity and efficacy. They all - at some level - play dirty to ensure that they get what they feel they are entitled to - Every.
We are saying that you should not ever lull yourself into thinking that "this girl is different" because you're setting yourself up for failure there. With women it's always better to pass up the right one than get trapped by the wrong one.
I almost got roped in by a single Mom but backed off not because of the single parent ct I'm a single father with full custody myself but because the amount of drama surrounding this girl and her friends just plain irritated me. By your theory this girl would have been knocked up and then proceeded to drain her son's father dry while she pursues someone else.
Problem is that she has her son full time, but has never pursued her son's father in court for child support - opting instead to work and provide for herself with some babysitting assistance from her mom. She hasn't had a boyfriend in the 3 months I've known her, and the last one I've been made aware of was December of last year.
She never asked me for anything more than the occasional cigarette. She also only introduced me to her son once and it was kind of accidental I ran into them while she was out shopping. My interpretation was that she was trying to play it off like she practically didn't have a kid by avoiding me during the hours where she had to take care of him and then coming around at night once he passed out. Unless I'm misunderstanding, this basically contradicts everything everyone is saying here. I could probably still pursue something with this chick, but I have my reservations.
If anything, this thread makes me more inclined to pursue because she sure as hell doesn't act like the women this entire thread is describing, unless I'm missing something. I'm used to women like that because my son's mother is most definitely one of them, I just don't get the same vibe from new girl. What do you think? It doesn't contradict some posts above, that you may not have seen.
Here's why you have a problem Do you think she could keep that up if you move in together? Of course not. I had an LTR with a single mom in the recent past, and I'll be honest Her son had all kinds of abandonment issues, and I was going to fix it all. It ended badly, like so many other stories in this thread, and for many of the same reasons.
I'd explain, but others already have already explained way better. You on the other hand are ripe for the picking. She doesn't have to take him to court right then and there. She can wait years and then yank him into court and slap him with an arrearage of multiple tens of thousands. Maybe baby daddy is a broke dick drug addict or some shit, and she knows she's not going to get shit out of him and doesn't want to bother.
Or maybe she doesn't want her kid to see the baby daddy and going to court to get support setup will also have the effect of getting visitation setup - which she doesn't want. Sounds to me like she's trying to put on the I'm not trying to lock you into the daddy role vibe. But really, let's face it, all roads with this chick will lead to you stepping up into the role of family man protector, even though she's mindful not to scare you off from jump street.
The only semi-reasonable situation that could potentially give you an indication of her not being a total cunt is if she has a shared agreement with baby daddy with no support and he is respected as an equal parent in her kids lives.
Single motherhood, and single fatherhood for that matter, is a crime against humanity as far as I'm concerned and nobody should be dating those people, or even associating with them if at all possible unless they've truly taken responsibility for their actions (which includes not living off tax handouts). mcauctionservicellc.com first and most common defense for single moms is "What if they divorced or left an abusive or bad man". Well that's simple: Single Moms are Single Moms because they're bad decision makers and let their emotions lead them into a bad situation. Bad Decision Making is the worst trait a woman could have. "Well RyanGrey, sometimes guys turn. Single moms just don't understand their kids are baggage. Not just baggage, but baggage filled with radioactive waste. Two receptionists where I work are single moms (late 20's) with half black kids. Both of them asked me for advice, as to why a 23 year old guy they were both after didn't want to pursue a relationship with either one of them.
Then she would be acting like a self supportive adult looking out for the best interests of her children. Without that setup, you know there are shenanigans happening. You get with a woman who has a kid, then its like a Brady Bunch situation. Could work, but you'd have to vet the woman with the above mentioned criteria. You'd also want to speak with the baby daddy and make sure everyone involved is a grown up. So much potential to get sideways on you, though.
Would take one special-ass fucking bitch to lay out that risk. I don't know about you, but I haven't seen many single mother unicorns running around. You already have children.
You don't need more. What reason do you have to get serious and be married? Your baby mama is a shithead. Focus on being a good father. That is your priority.
Those kids are more important than your sex life. Any woman that sniffs around, make sure you keep it casual. If grandma and grandpa are willing to occasionally step in and let you have some social outlets, that would be ideal. Best case scenario for you is to keep a casual GF who is not your priority, but chills with you when you get a break.
If you can PUA easily, then fuck - scrap the GF idea and bang strange when you get that occasional night out. How old are you? I'm trying to think about these things in my own context.
At my age it's weird if a woman doesn't have kids. I hate to be foolhardy but this girl does seem reasonable. I think that the important part here is to analyze these kinds of situation with a more redpill frame. So the old blue pill frame of mind we want to fall in love.
We would see past the flaws of a significant other and realize we had flaws ourselves. We would expose our vulnerability to women and expect likewise. This would leave us a clingy, enthusiastic mess ripe for a sociopathic woman to come along and exploit.
Now realize that you are not looking for love or some unicorn. You are looking out at what's best for you. You do what's best for you while accepting any criticism or problem you have of your partner as a sign or problem that needs to be handled before it gets bigger.
You know what I'm saying? You are in control. You don't owe her or her child anything, but if she follows your lead and makes you happy, besides sex, then perhaps hold your frame and continue on. However, I would advise against moving in together, getting married, or having more kids and in this case to understand the laws and obligations of your state regarding those things. I'm only 26, but my son is 5 so I have to be especially mindful of allowing anyone to become a regular part of our lives.
This was me before the relationship with my son's mother went to hell. I adopted a lot of what the people around here talk about through my own experiences, I didn't even know TRP existed until a few months ago. I don't know if I have the "clout" to say that I've taken the red pill, but I definitely think the way that I think about things falls in line with the ideologies that make up this community. The main exception is that I really don't care about involving myself with women most of the time.
I understand them all too well, but they're a headache that a lot of times I haven't wanted to deal with because I've got enough shit to handle just caring for my son and making sure I'm secure.
Things are slowing down, though, and my son has started developing relationships with the other kids and spends more and more of his time out running around with them as opposed to clinging to me and expecting my undivided attention.
His mother is off of drugs, for now, so for two days a week I don't even have to worry about him - I've just got time to do whatever the hell I want.
That's how I've found myself starting to go back to pursuing women a bit more actively, and in doing so the idea of some kind of ongoing relationship has started to feel more appealing than going out and hunting down some strange to bag and tag every week. Herein lies the problem. Women without kids don't typically seem to be attracted to men with kids in a scope beyond casual hook-ups. There are exceptions and I'm certainly not saying I should settle for a single mom because I don't think I can get any better or it would be "easier," but as a parent I can say without a doubt that there are certain things about the way you think priorities, acceptable behaviors, obligations, etc.
I lack the patience to deal with a chick who doesn't understand that being a parent is more than simply feeding and clothing a child. When it comes to women that I've taken even semi-seriously most of them over the past few years have in fact been single moms.
None of these things are even in my field of view right now. I think the real issue is this - that they don't have their own responsibilities like that, and so they rightfully don't want to have someone else's, either. That will change before long.
As you know, it's a lot different having a 5 year old than a 2 year old. There are simply a lot of places a 2 year old can't go due to diapers, etc. There are a lot of places that won't allow a 5 year old, but things improve. In yet another years, he'll be old enough to do a lot more. At the same time, those 18 year old girls who didn't want to hang out with a 2 year old will be 23 and not mind hanging out with a decently behaved 7 year old.
As you both get older, it will continue to get easier as long as the kid lives your life, and not the other way around. I've dated moms, and girls without kids too. It is nice to be first. My current LTR has no kids, and she mothers mine just like she were her own. She's actually more motherly than the actual mother. That's not even on my list of shit I care about, but it's a nice bonus. You are a man taking care of his child, stepping up with full responsibility because mom is unreliable to share parenting.
Just take this fully recognized priority of self and family into your dating life. You have a few days a week to enjoy a social life, don't be in such a hurry to get serious. Be smart and manage well. Wait a while before you settle down into an LTR. Be cautious and picky about who you bring into your son's life. I think you're going to get a lot of replies saying you have oneitis, you're putting the pussy on a pedestal, and AWALT.
She could have just been hiding the kid to get you to fall for her first to increase the likelihood you'd hang around once learning of the kid. Maybe she backed off because of the accidental kid meeting. My cousin is a single mom and she dates complete losers who she ends up supporting so there are definitely exceptions to the rule. Maybe this girl is one, maybe not. I'm interested to see what others say. That was another reason I backed off, the whole oneitis thing.
I'm new here, still mostly a lurker, and I still don't understand the difference between oneitis and pursuing a long-term relationship. People told me I had "oneitis" for a cam girl I was considering hooking up with, so I either develop oneitis for every girl I encounter and multiple girls at a time or I am terrible at explaining myself. She's still floating around when I'm home at night the rest of the week unless I shoo her off, though.
Opinion you dating single moms redpill you tell
My point was that anytime anyone says they like a girl, a chorus of users usually lines up to call "oneitis!!! You just need to maintain an abundance mentality. You could leave her at any moment because she is easily replaceable. This is how you avoid oneitis. There is no one as cold and calculating, as manipulative and ruthless as a single mom looking to secure provisions for her children. She can put on the sweetest demeanor on the outside, fuck like a champion in bed, but her thoughts are always focused inward on how she can get what's hers.
I can't tell you how many times I saw my ex wife in leather jackets, nice shoes and new outfits, but at the same time saw my son in high water pants and worn out shoes. Even though I was shelling out high dollar child support, I was taking my kid shopping to get clothes and shoes, because it broke my heart to see him in rags.
My close friend was paying for his ex to take her new boyfriend out to fancy dinners. Her new boyfriend had a high paying job too. Meanwhile he's eating cereal for half his meals and sharing an apartment with a roommate to make ends meet. Look at the Bristol Palin dealio. She's got cash in the bank and a rich family. Who cares if he and his wife are struggling to pay bills and survive?
Its all about her and what she think she deserves.
I've been there! My father payed child support but my mother never bought me anything, so he had to pay for everything twice. I was almost underfed. She used all the money for herself.
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Eventually she sunk into debt by getting drunk and buying lottery tickets every other day then asking the bank for money for more lottery tickets ,then proceeded to manipulate everyone for money. She was and still is one of the most astonishing manipulators I have ever had the displeasure of meeting. At one point she even threathened to kill herself if my brother didn't give her money.
I got out of there as soon as I could, and I'm now living with my father. They are going to ask their mom - who is going to say "No we can't afford that" - then look at douchebag wearing out a spot on the couch smoking his Dorals and drinking Old Milwaukee in the can. The guy is a 41 year ugly old loser who hasn't had a job since His daddy however, is a big lawyer partner at a well known firm next to the courthouse. The guy would be in the street or living with his parents probably - like his year old kid is.
Apparently his baby mama was a total flake who married her coke dealer and neither of them were fit to raise the kid - so his parents took over. This shot out loser wasn't man enough to step up and be a father to his own kid, but he's telling my kids I'm a piece of shit right along with my screwed up ex wife.
The only thing she could find were couple of dudes that pumped and dumped her. She had to settle for this dude or get used and abused by any guy she met who had his shit halfway together.
Two - She's laid the sob story on the guy's parents about how much much of an abusive crackhead I supposedly am so she's gotten free attorney services. Free attorney services means she can act like as big of an asshole as she wants to and never worry about losing custody. She doesn't dare kick loser out because she thinks the moment she does I'm going to drag her ass back into court and wipe the floor with her - seeing that she'll be without free legal representation.
A year or two ago, she would have been right about that assumption. I've actually got some red hot irons in the fire I'm starting to collect on. I'm starting to make so much money that the support number is a bargain. I don't dare take her back, because the support would more than double.
Plus the kids have a say in matters now. They are brainwashed to hate the father that loves them. I do want to see my kids though, pretty badly, but the conflict that would result isn't worth the harm it would do to them. I couldn't care less if they were two jacked up dipshits deep in love, I have my own path, but I'm guessing that as soon as she feels safe enough to go without the free attorney safety net - she'll look at that ugly mother fucker and realize she's got to support that loser - who doesn't have a pot to piss in - indefinitely without any further benefit and she'll kick his ass to the curb.
By then his lawyer daddy will be retired - too old and tired to fight the guy's battles. The way I look at it is - she's got to support a drunken loser just so she can get free attorney services and keep putting the screws to me.
How's that for an obsessed alpha widow?
She's paying her penance every evening when looks across the kitchen table at him and sees his bloated, patchwork bearded face - and has to lay next to his fat stank drunk ass every night. Her revenge on me has a high price.
What a fucking dumb ass she is. If she acted like a civil human being - and I could truly trust that - I would forgive and forget. It's time to move on. She wouldn't have to put up with a fat 41 year old broke dick loser or kiss up to his parents. I would be grateful just to see the kids. She could actually go out there and seek out real happiness.
But she knows she been such a fucking cunt, she's sweating getting what's coming to her in court if she goes without the free attorney. Her own psychotic bullshit has backed herself into a giant shitburger of a corner.
Now that the paranoid bed is made - she's lying in it. Meanwhile, I just bought a waterfront pool home, I drive a beamer, I go on vacations, I have a beautiful new family. I'm living large.
She's a fucking pea-brained idiot making our kids suffer needlessly just to try to fuck me over. I wash my hands of it. So fucking what? Oh I get it, if someone as famous and as powerful as Gaius Julius Caesar would marry a single mother, it must be OK for the plebs too.
If someone rich and famous does it, it is sure to work out for the rest of us too, right? I have a degree in history so I am very curious to know, which one of Caesar's three wives was a single mother? Too alpha for your keyboard their junior, keep your faggot ass in the library with your "history degree" and remember not to talk to real men with your pipped up voice unless you are prepared to get bitch-slapped.
Wow, I touch a nerve there emo? Remember that facts and not emotions will help you with an argument since I do not see any facts to refute this.
By the way, how is that hope and change working out for you? I'm pleased with the current president. I wish the supreme court didn't have the last remaining vestigial tails of complete fascism still alive but hey can't have it all. If anything I would have liked to see more sweeping political changes but Obama is hampered by his blackness.
Such is life. Some little shitstain on a throwaway because he doesn't want his friends to know what a whiny little cunt he is on the internet. I'm a real mothafucka. Recognize danger. You see you only understand Alpha and Beta, when in reality if you were in my neighborhood you would be a gamma, or whatever your preferred term is for the scared man who runs into and out of his car as to avoid men who walk the streets.
You're a bitch and you come on the internet to bitch anonymously. Julius didn't marry a single mother. You're right. He was saved by a woman when Sulla sought his head. So go back to bitchin' and leave real men be. Wow, I touched a nerve and here you are just ranting like a scared angry little man. Learn to control your emotions and maybe invest in some scented candles to calm your jilted nerves.
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You dangerous? The rantings of a sad little teen in his mom's basement. Real dangerous men don't have to tell others that they are dangerous, they just are.
Did you get that last sentence from Google? Maybe if you just did 3 seconds of research instead of posting stuff as absolute fact, I wouldn't have torn into you. Just have some integrity in what you type before you try to pass it off as facts. I don't live with my mother. I live in a house I rent while sellign a house I own. Both are in the City of Vallejo, CA. Google that shit. Stay hidden, thrown away.
Do not look for what you claim to be. You will find it disappointing. Single mom's are living proof and have living proof of how stupid and irresponsible they are. Women and consequences don't mix.
They hate them. Anyone who has ever had a daughter knows what girls will do to avoid punishment. They will let others take the blame for them nearly every time, they will lie in the most amazing fashion, they will cry and beg and plead like maniacs. We need an entire thread dedicated to stories of these lies, and then a separate one comparing them to adult women.
You can spin a single mother plate. Just keep a couple of things in mind. Watch your sperm. Don't fuck her everyday. In fact you shouldn't be fucking any chick everyday.
Just maybe once or twice a week. I just saw Hercules. Hercules, played by the Rock, the most desirable, high value man in Greece, could've landed any woman in Greece. Instead, he gets oneitis for a mid 30s single mom. There's no end to the Hollywood attempts at brainwashing. Dumb question time: what's a single dad to do? Not every dad gets fucked in divorce court. Single dads hold a lot of mental issues as well and can not be spared from ridicule.
Choosing the wrong partner for marriage and children is a HUGE fault, one that can not be erased. The difference is that women have no problem raising another man's child the same way they have no problem with a man who fucks a lot of women.
It holds no biological imperative to them. In fact, much like having a dog, it raises their value. It shows that they're responsible, caring, have father qualities, and most importantly, pre-selection of the highest order. This article from JudgyBitch dove-tails with this sentiment. Elaborate how blacks in the USA arent a good example of the negatives of fatherlessness.
As a member of Black America it's pretty simple: We live in a matriarchy. It's why every athlete and rapper thank their moms or grandmothers for raising them. Don't bother trying to answer, because you are banned for not being able to read the damn sidebar and follow the damn rules. She never brought the kid up in fact there were a lot of times where she left the kid to stay over with me. And remember that the ex father of the child will be always there as a shadow.
You cant shake it off. He will be always there. Who would want a relationship under the shadow of her ex. Run away while you can. Interesting read. A close friend of mine has his mother constantly bash and verbally abuse him for no reason at all. I've seen this with many children of single mothers. Any explanation? How much does your friend look like his dad? I would suspect that children of single mothers tend to be abused less if they look more like the mom compared to kids who look more like the dad especially boys.
How much do you look like your dad? Yep as a child of a single mother she tried to recreate the relationship dynamic with me and lashed out for no reason at times. Now she despises the entire gender, hangs out with gay guys Holy shit. My mother never did this but her female friend actually started to It didn't occur to me how meaningful it was for my mother to use my young age as the reason her friend needed to cut that shit out I mean damn.
I suspect it's usually jealousy. Their daughter is still young so she is still approaching her SMV peak. Women rationalize it but they know that the younger version of them can land any man that they can plus much, much better men. That's why u hit it after 11, when their kid is asleep in he next room. Or masturbating to you pounding his mom, either or.
Get the fuck out. She's a bitch, a bad parent and a partner that disrespects you. Get out before you qualify under some retarded law a father figure and are forced to pay child support. Fly the fuck out of there. Every time I see that I replace it with "As a person who is capable of opening my legs". And, naturally, I'm sure she did absolutely nothing to deserve such a horrible fate. As a single father who was divorce-raped, I definitely have no problem admitting that I made some poor choices.
If only I had taken the red pill years ago My friend, you may have read the advice on this sub, but have you actually internalized any of it? It gets amplified when a woman is a mom especially a single mom.
It is a little known but very well documented fact that nearly all our social ills in this country can be traced back to single parent households. I have section 8 houses that I rent and these women are very entitled acting. I mean, they have abortion right? I don't agree with it but it is the law right now. So why do we have to pay for their illegitimate kids too? Oddly enough, single fathers are much more successful than their female counterparts.
There is a big selection bias there. Though FWIW, mental illness tends to be the biggest deciding factor. Substance abuse issues aren't usually enough for custody. I assume every state is different, but what usually happens if the kid wants to live with the dad instead?
If the kid is old enough, then it would matter a lot. However, most divorces happen when the kid is too young and the kid doesn't even get asked or the kid is too little to understand. The critical time when most divorces happen is when the kids are still very young. There are many reasons for this. First of all there are financial incentives. Child support lasts until the kid is 18, you don't want until the kid is 15 to start a divorce.
Also, women either consciously or unconsciously know that if the kid is old enough to think for himself, then he may see that the mother is at least partially at fault for divorce, whereas if the child is still young she can brainwash him. Having a child also changes the behaviors of adults. So for the most part, the children are typically too young to have a say in who they want to live with in a divorce.
It seems that a woman's propensity to initiate divorce is proportional to her ability to remarry well. I learned a powerful lesson about single moms this morning.
I used to think it'd be cool to raise another's man's child but I now realize that it was wrong. Well, my step dad raised me like his own since i was 2, and im 27 now. It isn't all manipulation, but i suppose it might be because my family was always pretty wealthy. I came from a very similar situation. My step dad raised me since I was 2, and now I'm I never knew my biological father and never really have wanted to know him. They got married around the time I was 2.
He adopted me when I was 7, and I was even given the choice of what name to take and if I even wanted to be adopted. Aside from child 3 we have been a fairly functional family.
That being said, I also have had an experience dating a single mother that I ended when I finally figured out that she was bat-shit insane. I think that there single mothers vary. Some are crazy and only looking for a checkbook while there are others who are genuinely looking for a long-term companion and father figure to have a family with. Only above a certain age, but single women over 35 without children are rare for a reason hint: It begins with "biological" and ends with "clock".
On the upside, if you want to score a pump n dump significantly outside your normal batting average, single moms are a great bet. There are a LOT of former 9s now knocked up with someone elses kid and having their standards bashed square in the face every single day by that fact. I'm attempting to shy away from Machiavellianism to make our sub more palatable for the incoming masses. I agree with pretty much everything you've said ITT, but I why on earth are you attempting to make our sub more palatable?
The truth and the tools of sexual strategy are not palatable at all to the masses. Shy away from Machiavellianism? What in the hell for? Excellent post. I've said it before on here and i'll say it again When you get married to someone who already has kids, you will wind up putting time and effort into supporting some other dude's kids. You'll also be less important to her. Remeber, it's women and children first, not husbands first. Having to support someone else's kids is why female infidelity is less tolerated than male infidelity.
It shouldn't be more acceptible to you because it happened before you came along. She got the AF, now she's going for you as BB. Bad plan. If you really value your self and your time, you won't do this. And you don't feel like this theory is at all biased by your personal experiences? You are assuming all single mothers are like this due to your selection biases those being your experiences and friends with similar experiences, who oddly enough probably have a similar mindest since they are your friend.
The number of generalizations not backed up by fact in this post is astronomical, but I would expect nothing less out of this sub. Rain in the downvotes, I will gladly take them.
Edit: You really have to wonder what kind of community you are a part of when one persons generalizations are upvoted more than fact and anyone who dares question the line of logic is downvoted.
Remarkable, very dating single moms redpill words... super, brilliant
You claim to emphasize logic and strategy in this sub, yet I see none of it here. Maybe notallsinglemoms are like this. But that's a risk I'm willing to take in order to avoid raising someone else's kid. My objection is that I don't want to raise another man's child. Even if I want the woman, I would want her without the child.
Why don't I want to raise another man's child? That's so obvious we don't even have to discuss it. What fact? That there are outliers and exceptions? If you want to point at anomalies and exceptions when giving life advise, you're an idiot.
There is a reason that people constantly warn you not to date single moms, and it's the same reason your advised not to walk down dark allies at night. It would be more understandable if this were just generelized life advise, something along the lines of "don't date single women because you will always be second to the child. These are unclever bashes hidden under the guise of advise which is something that happens all too often in this community. This sub is about human behavior, of course it's going to generalize.
No group of humans, no matter how similar their situations, are going to be the same. If I said to you "Don't pet that lion, lions are dangerous". Would you say "No, you are just generalizing. There are lions who will not eat you. I will pet it. Sure there are lions that wouldn't eat you, but you would be stupid for even attempting to see if it was a nice lion, because the penalty for being wrong, just like with single mothers, is bad.
Except your analogy is inconsistent with the problem. We have statistics of wild and zoo lion attacks that we can and have gathered.
If you really want me to look it up I will. Furthermore, you are responding with another generalization about single mothers, that they are like wild lions. Human behavior is not all generalizations.
In fact we have a whole fields dedicated to its scientific pursuit sociology and psychology both of which use the scientific method to back up their claims.
So, to answer your question, no I don't want him to use "weasel words", I want him to back up his claims with fact. You should want the same as well if you truly value this persons opinion as representative of your own. Some people just have a really hard time grasping what an average is in relation to a population. You appear to be one of those people. Without grasping that, I can't explain anything to you, I'm sorry. Perhaps, but you don't begin with the generalization, you arrive at it through gathering information about a hypothesis.
Logic : you will always come second, they have made at least one huge mistake in their life widows exclude they have an incentive other than attraction to latch on to you, the stress of their situation is making them ripe for psychological troubles. You really have to wonder what kind of community you are a part of when one persons generalizations are upvoted more than fact. You are part of a community where the value of generalizations aka.
Basically, single mothers are a huge fucking risk, so you better make sure she's a truly exceptional individual before making that leap. Seems like logic-based strategy to me. And before you start asking for 1 bazillion peer-reviewed studies to "prove" single mothers are bad news which would all be biased or using improper protocols to you anywaylet me spare you the trouble : we're not here to discuss the nature of reality, or convince blue pillers that reality isn't a liberal college sociological construct.
We're here to share experiences, strategies and self-improvement tips and the occasional funny storynot to decondition you. Have fun. There we go. This is the first person to respond using a strain of logic. You structured it as a specific risk reward scenario instead of generalized attacks against a wide group of people and even stated that there would be exceptions I would argue that there are many more than widows, what about rape cases resulting in children?
Cases where the divorce was mutual agreement and did not have lasting psychological effects, which yes does happen, etc. Where I had issue was with OPs structure of his analysis and the arguments therein.
I argued that he could not provide evidence to support his attacking statements, not his overarching ideas. I'm neither in support not defense of the "Red Pill Movement", but in order for this community to gain any traction it has to move beyond baseless attacks on groups primarily females and "betas" and focus on structuring logical arguments to support strategies. You structured it as a specific risk reward scenario instead of generalized attacks against a wide group of people. You don't understand the tone or purpose of this sub, which is why you're spazing over "generalized attacks against a wide group of people".
We know we're over-the-top, because that's the way we like to communicate. We talk in large principles, and only specify exceptions if there's a good reason to talk about them. Only idiots and rger types would think we're philosophers dissecting the nature of reality in all its intricacies.
We're men, talking to other men like men, and telling bitches to shut the fuck up or get the fuck out if they don't like it. The purpose of this tone is twofold : don't dilute the message, and rip out feminized language and pacifying gestures toward the passive-aggressive feminized bleeding hearts of. This is man-talk, and concern trolls aren't welcome.
Only bigots think there's no exceptions, and only idiots think everyone's an exception. Which one are you? I happen to know some single mothers, and believe me, I've never even met one who was a widow, much less a rape victim, a happily divorced unicorn, or a recipient of immaculate conception. OP's post is spot-on for every single one, and all they're good for is pump and dump.
Sure, my sample is small, and theoretically, such people exist well, maybe not the last one. I'm still going to assume every single mother needs to be thoroughly screened in ways I wouldn't bother with otherwise.
It would be stupid not to. IOW, you're concern trolling. Don't you get it?
Are you worried OP doesn't get it? How come I read the exact same thing as you and came to the right interpretation but you couldn't, or wouldn't? We say it over and over : calibrate to your circumstances, test it for yourself, don't just accept what you read. We're asking people to stop acting like sheep, but we're not going to water down what we have to say because a few rger types can't grok it. I have to disagree with you. This and OP's aren't "man talk" otherwise not intended for bitches.
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Being a bitch, beta, blue pill etc has nothing to do with it. I understood OPs message from the onset, my point is that ad hominem attacks muddy his message and make it less valid. Notice not once have I stated my opinion on whether it is right or wrong, many people have assumed an opinion and downvoted for not understanding the point I'm trying to make.
Can you get the message from OP's post? Absolutely, but his point is weaker for using personal attacks. If you really want "man talk" you should be talking like a civilized human being not a belligerent boy upset with the circumstances of the world around you.
Make a claim, back it up with fact and give you conclusion like the "real men" this sub wants to make. On who? I'm not seeing it. He lists the bad characteristics of single mothers, recap his personal experiences with them, and concludes that they are a dysfunctional group, and the most detrimental to society.
I agree heartily, and I don't see what's personal in it. This isn't a debate club. If you still think you're in a sub dedicated to your little opinions, you're wrong. What I come to learn here is not "how to win an argument with a feminist", it's life tips on how to become a better version of myself, and how to navigate the SMP.
I couldn't give less of a shit how how to debate using proper form, that's for nerds who know nothing about life and have never touched a woman. They have nothing worthwhile to contribute.
You're an insecure little boy bitching at the little girls sticking their tongues out at you. Flip them the bird with a smirk, and go about your day. Clearly ad hominem attacks against single mothers as I have pointed out in other replies so in not getting into that. I'm not using any shame tactics, I'm stating how speaking without using a proper argument makes you look less like the "macho man" this sub wants to be and more of an inexperienced and immature person, in this case a younger and inexperienced man i.
Your point about nerds again is a baseless ad hominem attack which is nothing new from your previous posts. Good luck with that. For your last section someone with a different viewpoint than your own is apparently not worth your time, showing a clear lack of developed maturity, but okay.
From all this evidence I'm now going to draw a conclusion, are you ready? This conversation is clearly above your intellectual capacity so I'm going to simplify this for you. By your logic demonstrated above I could simply call the OP an idiot with viewpoints that are idiotic and his entire message would be invalidated. But that's not how the world works is it? I can't make it so his point doesn't have any value by making that claim, I have to disprove him statement by statement.
In this particular case there is nothing to disprove because he did not submit any factual evidence beyond point 1, which I already gave him. The articles you linked only validate your fifth point and barely validate it at that. Both articles mention that these statistics are for US persons specifically and is not true in a wide range of other countries or even a majority of the rest of the world with regard to the NYT opinion piece.
But sure lets give you that point at best and agree that single parent homes are bad for children.
This doesn't validate any of your other points being that 1. Single mothers are bad decision makers. Single mothers are valueless people. Single mothers are more manipulative than all other groups on earth. Single mothers have more baggage and are therefore crazy. Can you validate any of these points with anything other than anecdotal evidence?