Barry, I'm glad you were helped by what I have posted. Keep checking back as there should be quite a bit more information on tanks and other fans yet to be posted as time permits. Tanks are one of my favorites and I am still learning about them. I would love to get the dating down to an exact year for each change but that may never happen. The tank model was the longest in production along with the 16"
Steve - I did figure out how to get the bottom off. There are three 'buttons' on the bottom that the unit sits on. In the center of each, and covered by grime, is a small bolt that screws into the housing. Unscrew these three and the base plate come off. And that chrome thing is a snap in piece. Nathan, one suggestion would be to post on our Antique Fan Collectors Association link near top of this blog forum and include sufficient photos so people will know what you have.
Also try to ask specific questions that you might have. The other suggestion is to send me your email address and I will get back to you so you can send me some photos and questions. Unless your fan is of the era that my blog deals with I may not know much about it. I love the early fans but don't get involved with fans after about the mid s. I have a model A but there's a few things I don't understand.
Also the cord on it is 28 feet long, would that be a replaced cord?
It would be nice if you could help. That information comes from a copy I made from an original Westinghouse catalog. I was looking for a 6-wing vane but none to see in that catalog. I know that 6-wing vanes were made at least through and the 6-wing model had been added by those later years.
I would have to say that someone in the past has switched the 4-wing blade on your fan for a 6-wing blade. That can be hard on the motor and it is recommended not to put a 6-wing blade on a 4 pole high speed motor like your Style A is. Overheating can occur with the wrong blade on your motor. The easy solution is to replace your blade with the proper 4 wing blade.
One other possibility is that the easily changed motor tag was changed in the past, maybe due to the original having cracked or?. You can check the RPM of your motor with a strobe. A 28 foot long power cord would seem to be so the fan could either be moved around a very large room or shop or used outdoors or where a close by electrical outlet was.
Most early fans were sold without a power cord so the user could put on the length needed to reach the closest light socket for power as there were very few wall outlets until after the teens. Most early fans that came with a power cord had somewhere around feet of cord. The power cords of the c. Need to know what the value is of this beauty needs to be restored.
Could you help me with the value of my 12 inch 4 brass blade Westinghouse fan - plate is screwed on not bolted and Style OC Cage is not brass came from old estate where Items where dated 's and early 's Thank you I cannot find any of these numbers anywhere? Has a serial number as well - needs to be restored but I may sell it? I have some questions regarding my Westinghouse 12 inch 4 brass blade fan OC ?
Cannot find this model number - I think the patten says can you give me a value on this fan? I dont know how to attach a pic here.
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Hi Jill, regarding your two comments above, the fan you have, it looks like Style which, according to a copy made by a good friend, now deceased, of Westinghouse fans for which he had an affinity to, it is a 12" non-oscillator volt with a commutator and brushes for 25 cycles instead of the usual 60 cycle wall current we have in the USA. Send me your email address and I will repond so you can email me some photos of your fan which would make it easier to assess what you have. A photo of the motor tag would be helpful and, if some data is not readable, write out the best you can what you think it says.
I am curious is your fan is, in fact, a 25 cycle motor which would probably preclude using the fan on 60 cycles. My cycle Century fan runs well on 60 cycles but without much power and the motor gets too hot after about 15 minutes so I don't use it. It's possible that your motor was rewound for 60 cycles; I have such a Westinghouse but it does not run to see if it would work ok on 60 cycles which I'm sure it would. Value would depend upon condition which one would have to see photos as well as the running condition.
The steel cage replaced brass cages in Feb Look on the motor tag in the lower left corner for a very tiny "micro date" in parenthesis; that would be the date a batch of motor tags was ordered I think and your fan would date to within a few years of that date.
Initially fans were mainly produced in a stark black, with the notable exception of General Electric - which used green. As fans became more widely available, designers began experimenting with different colours. So colour is a good indicator that your fan was produced from . Here's a list of current Westinghouse ceiling fan manuals. You can use the search box to the right to quickly find the fan you're interested in. Westinghouse Aerialist Ceiling Fan Manual. Read More. Westinghouse Aiden Ceiling Fan Manual. Read More. Westinghouse Alloy Ceiling Fan Manual. The new Westinghouse fans first appeared in a short-lived series of "Style Numbers" as listed to the right in a catalog and which would be replaced by an improved model with a new series of Style Nos. believed to have been introduced later in or in I would love to get the dating down to an exact year for each change but.
I have a tank that has a tag that says style sn: is there a number missing? Yes, the last digit is missing or stamped so shallow that you did not see it or it may have been missed altogether as is the case on an early Emerson PI which is clearly stamped PI Your fan would be either an 12" or 16" model. Those models differ from Styles and in having a higher voltage rating for your model; volts vs volts. Steve, Thanks for the fast response. I used a scope and you are correct it is a very lightly stamped 1 it looked like a scratch with the eye well mine anyway.
Also what is the correct oil used in the oil reservoirs? From an original Westinghouse tank instruction sheet from "Before shipment enough lubricant is placed in the oil cups to last for a considerable time.
This should be replenished with a heavy oil, if, upon inspection the bearings prove to be dry. What we fan collectors use and recommend is a 20 wt. I have even heard that 30 wt. I don't know what "heavy oil" would have been in but do know that some fan manufacturers recommend and used vasoline which, I believe, was pretty much the same as today's vaseline.
Anyway, the answer to your question would be to use Zoom-Spout or other 20 wt. Just make sure it is NON-detergent, not a multi-viscosity like 10W etc. Hello I have a style it's only a 1 Speed Oscillating, I'm hoping that not being a B or C means this one is older and more rare : any ideas?
I'm sorry, I don't know all the Westinghouse Style numbers and don't know what fan you have without seeing it. I am thinking your fan may be from the late teens or early 20s.
It's a 10" model and probably an uncommon fan but probably not valuable. The lack of a suffix letter probably indicates it's an early model in the series.
I recently purchased a Westinghouse 16" 6 blade fan with model number It has a knife handle with what looks like 3 speeds. Am working to rewire the fan, but in overall pretty good condition. I can't find much history on this one.
Do you know anything about this model? There are too many numbers on fans to learn every one. I stick with the early fans with shorter numbers that are easier to learn. Once I see your photos I may be able to give some more information. I would have to SEE the fan in some photos. Very nice Steve. I come here often just to refresh myself on these great fans. Thanks for the nice comment.
I have tried to make this blog helpful to many people. I would like to still add more information and fans and hope I do make the time to do so. I have a b Westinghouse 10". Hi Arky, Few people know fans by their model or stock numbers so a photo is usually necessary.
In your case I would contact antiquefanparts. My interests are in pres fans only so later models I will not be familiar with. Also, try posting on the AFCA site for your wants.
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You will have top sign up but it is free to post. Just yesterday I was given a 6 blade tank. I can't read the motor tag well yet. The "cage" - don't know the correct term - and blades are pretty corroded. I'd like to clean them up and make them nice without ruining them.
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What is the best method? Hi Lou, I admit that my restoration skills are limited because I only buy fans in very good original condition and to not repaint, polish or restore. That's just the way I like them. I welcome comments, corrections.
Last ate Instruction sheet at end of page. Enlarging the photo, above left, you can just see the copper strip that connects the second and third switch contact together. All AC tanks except for one later Style No. On the right photo, above, you can see that all three of the visible contacts are bridged together with a copper strip.
This is what makes this early 16" tank a single speed and the only single speed tank I know of as well as being the only known "small motor" early 16" tank.
Like most pancake fans the motor is large in diameter but thin, and has a single bearing. Changes continued for the duration of manufacture of the Westy tank but, basically, they all appear alike at a casual glance. Though this particular tank has the early "small motor" and is the only 16" tank I know of with the small motor, it's still a later Style Number than shown in the Price List illustrated above wherein that earliest of 16" tanks would be a Style No.
It may be presumed that Westinghouse made some important changes in the motors from the earliest Style Numbers to this later Style and it's companion 12" model. These Style Nos. Later motor tags with the patent date as above, left, are attached to the motor with fillister head screws while the earlier patent tags are riveted to the motor; you may see some exceptions to this general rule however. Note that the DC tank motor tag, above, right, does not have patent dates.
The tag below is from the earliest of tanks, the Style with the small motor. From observations it appears that the first tanks to have the patent motor tag was no earlier than the model. Westinghouse "tanks", year to year:.
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Changes through the years were many but the last tank still looked very close to the first one. Outlined here are changes from my observations and from other sources. It is not easy to pin down certain changes so I have made an estimated guess on some details. If readers have anything to add or correct please leave a comment or contact me. For the time being please realize that there might have been some overlap in features in some years and some of the details, below, could be off a year or two.
I'll be working to make it more accurate as new information becomes available. Motors were slightly smaller in diameter and shorter than in other years. Blade had cast hub, at least on the early 12" models. No cage badge at first? Center cage ring is solid and the ends of S-wires can be seen and felt on the inside of the ring.
Cage struts were different than later ones. Switch had no fiber cover on the bottom. Trunnion was unique and without the strong rib soon added on the outside.
AC 12" tank offered with 2 speeds but the 16" model has one speed ref: March American Electrician p. DC tanks also introduced this year. If you see a tank with the reverse curve cage, that cage came from a stamped steel Westy. Struts attached differently to front of motor. Trunnion modified in several ways, most noticeably with the addition of a strong rib on the outside.
Center ring remains solid but S-wires no longer visible on the inside of ring. Fiber cover added over bottom of the switch.
Motor tag screwed on to motor instead of previous rivet attachment. Center ring of the cage may have changed to rolled sheet brass instead of being solid, or this may have happened in Mechanical oscillator double lever introduced.
Westinghouse Ceiling Fans. Wet Rated. Light Kit Compatible. Outdoor. Downrod Mount. Flush Mount. Number of Blades: 3 Blades. Results Brand: Westinghouse. Kelcie 52 in. LED White Ceiling Fan with Light Fixture and Remote Control. by Westinghouse $ Free delivery. Comet 52 in. Indoor/Outdoor Espresso Ceiling Fan. by. Later suffix letters indicate a later fan, probably with some minor changes from the previous suffix letter. This is just a smattering of all the models and styles that Westinghouse made. Fan = 4 or 6 blades. Fan blades were solid brass before the change to Micarta blades in the early s. 16" fans changed to Micarta before the 12" fans. Architectural Fan circa (PBF) 6" SB/SC Crucet Fan circa Stan Good 10" SB/SC Debon-Air Model 46 Terry Fisher 12" Micarta/SC Master-Aire Model F-3 Serial LG Mike Heffernan 12"Micarta/SC Model FL-3 Serial FH Mike Heffernan 16" Micarta/SC Model F-3 Serial AH Mike Heffernan 8" SB/SC Whirlwind.
Vane oscillator continued. Brass oil cups replaced with steel. The cast iron tank motor "double lever oscillator" and "vane oscillator" continued to be offered alongside the new drawn steel oscillator.
Ref: Electrical Review, March 2, The double lever oscillator was gone but the vane oscillator was still offered. In addition to their own fans, Westinghouse tank fans were re-badged the following companies to sell:. Fan Motor Adaptor. Vane attachment. A friend just emailed me the following photos of an unusual Westinghouse "tank" fan found recently in an antiques shop in Iowa.
He had seen the fan a while ago but the price was too high he said. On this visit to the shop the fan's price was lowered and he was able to negotiate a satisfactory price which was very reasonable. There are several things about this fan that are most unusual. First, the motor is the earliest and unique "small motor" dating to Larger vent holes, smaller diameter and depth of the motor, and unique struts that fit the curvature of the front of the motor.
Notice the cast blade hub used only on the first 12" tanks and possibly the first 16" tanks though I have never seen one. The cage is not supposed to have a badge on these early tanks. Could "TYPE 04" mean it's a motor? The tank motor was introduced as a model but might have first been available late in although I have no confirmation of that. Also, for you sharp eyed readers, note that the base is a later base used from onward with the steeper curve as the flat part of the base curves up into the neck.
The trunnion is still the early style used into Thank you Dick for sharing photos of your wonderful find. I'm a fan of original and unrestored early fans and the Westinghouse "tank" is one of my favorites. They are fairly early, readily found, and not too expensive. They are also simple and run well.
Not long ago I spotted this tank for sale onbelow, and was drawn to it because of the nice restoration and the fact that you don't see restored tanks too often. That could be because the black japan used on the body was so durable that, usually, a good cleaning will bring back the old beauty.
This one, admittedly over-restored with urethane primer, black urethane, and clear coat, is still well done. The restorer blued the original screws but did replace some with brass screws on the cage clips.
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The original blued screws in those places were included in the auction. I'm not sure that these fans looked quite so perfect when new but they were very shiny with highly polished brass blades. The cage, I think was more of a bright brass, mill finish or might have been etched to clean it before lacquering and was cataloged as "dipped and lacquered".
I see no evidence on original fans that the cages had the same high mirror polish as the blades. This "tank" is a model. New reproduction fiber switch covers are available and just like the originals. Fiber insulating disks are also available, precut, for use under the rotor's starting switch contacts.
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Sorry for the difficulty in reading but the information should be decipherable for you. Every few years it appears that Westinghouse would order a new batch of motor tags for their next batch of fans of a certain type.
The micro dates that we encountered are shown in the left column. They can be found on the motor tag in the upper or lower corner of the tag and are usually inside parenthesis. VERY tiny; you will probably need a magnifier to read them.
Note: Numbers under the micro dates in this survey have no meaning for this survey. They are just a reference for me to my original notes. Suffix is the letter after the style number. Later suffix letters indicate a later fan, probably with some minor changes from the previous suffix letter. This is just a smattering of all the models and styles that Westinghouse made. Fan blades were solid brass before the change to Micarta blades in the early s. Brass cages were used on many of the first steel cage Westy fans.
Sometime around the brass blades were painted black. I think the 16" fans went directly from black painted brass to the deeply pitched Micarta instead of having a deeply pitched black brass fan. Cages: brass.
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Weld Stl. This is stated in a Westy catalog from The motor tag was, likewise, made of zinc. Sometime in the later teens Westinghouse went back to brass cage badges and motor tags and, c. Micro date Suffix Serial No. Fan Cage badge size